Notice of Meeting - ACES Gamut Mapping VWG - Meeting #3 - 2/27/2020

Discussions - ACESNext VWG – Gamut Compression/Mapping
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ACES Gamut Mapping VWG Meeting #3

Thursday, February 27, 2020
5:00pm - 6:00pm PST (Los Angeles time / UTC-01:00am)

Please join us for the next meeting of this virtual working group (VWG). Future meeting dates include:

  • 3/5/2020: 9:30am
  • 3/12/2020: 5pm
  • 3/19/2020: 9:30am
  • 3/26/2020: 5pm

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Agenda:

  • (10 mins) Recap of last Thursday’s meeting
  • (25 mins) Discussion of points made last Thursday for new attendees (could go longer)
  • (10 mins) Highlight a few ACES Central Posts for reading / thoughts
  • (15 mins) Logistics: Image collection & call for next meeting topics/presenters
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For completeness and something discussed on Slack with @carolalynn this morning, copy-pasted directly without doctoring:

thomas 6:36 AM

@Carol Payne : I think we should explicitly states the requirements for the desired algorithm

6:37

As I mentioned it during the second meeting, we need to define for example “energy”

6:37

Radiometric energy ain’t photometric energy

6:38

And what became clear yesterday, at least for me, during our meeting is that there are maybe conflicting requirements

6:39

E.g. we want an energy conserving algorithm which is camera agnostic

Carol Payne 6:44 AM

Agreed, Matthias and I talked about our next steps being twofold: 1. discuss the concept of the ‘confidence gamut’ which we start ed last night, and 2. decide on qualitative and then match with quantitative algorithm ‘ideals’

thomas 9:01 AM

I would probably start with the qualitative metric because that what will indicate if we really need energy conservation for example

9:03

If it looks good and produce plausible values, we are maybe good, without having to abide or be constrained by a requirement that might not be practical or possible at all to fulfill

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Starting with qualitative metrics makes good sense. They can also be thought of as the source for quantitative metrics (i.e., as their translation, expression) and chances are that no matter what set of quantitative metrics are defined they won’t fully capture the qualitative ones. This has certainly been the experience of color reproduction in photography and graphic arts and pretty much all attempts at putting quantitative metrics first have failed (either because of incompleteness or because of being over-restrictive, as you say). I’d also think of specific metrics/objectives as indications/guidance, rather than as absolute requirements …

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For brevity, posting link to recording/transcript for easy viewing:

https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Gamut-Mapping-Virtual-Working-Group--AvaGUtlQDcyJ47yWxd7ILHgFAg-1BByr3dSQvpjlYcOJlVgR#:uid=543814154996136532305557&h2=Meeting-#3---Feb-27%2C-2020

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Thanks, glad to see we are thinking along the same lines! Hope to see you at the next meeting.

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